(A nave is where the congregants sit in church.)

Pope says churches in West look to be dying

A combination of an increasingly secular mentality and the lure of more simplistic sects was challenging the relevance of the Church, especially in Europe, Australia and, to a lesser extent, the United States, the 78-year-old Pope said.

Or maybe it's the whole widespread child abuse and cover-up? Nah, it's just dumbed-down religion and secularism affecting (Catholic) Church participation, says the Pope.

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