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God Bless America

Nov 22, 2004 3:08 PM
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update If we have one textbook disclaimer, why not have a whole slew of stickers? (via Waxy)

From a Gallup poll on evolution and creationism, dated November 19, 2004:

Third of Americans Say Evidence Has Supported Darwin's Evolution Theory

Almost half of Americans believe God created humans 10,000 years ago

by Frank Newport

Only about a third of Americans believe that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is a scientific theory that has been well supported by the evidence, while just as many say that it is just one of many theories and has not been supported by the evidence. The rest say they don't know enough to say. Forty-five percent of Americans also believe that God created human beings pretty much in their present form about 10,000 years ago. A third of Americans are biblical literalists who believe that the Bible is the actual word of God and is to be taken literally, word for word.

Let me get this straight — people are dissatisfied with the ample evidence for one theory, so they'll cling to a beliefs that are, in fact, contradicted by mountains of evidence? Ugh!

(via Keith Devens)


Comments: God Bless America

I was talking with a friend of mine who is finishing his Masters in Bioinformatics and moving to his PhD soon about this whole thing. I think it really comes down to a couple things.

First, people in this country have zero science education. I'd like to say it's otherwise, but honestly, the amount of people who buy into perpetual motion and other impossible things is terrifying.

Second, the vocabulary of science is foreign and somewhat different than what people normally use. For scientists a "theory" is something with a good basis in evidence, but that's not how a lot of people interpret it. They don't understand the difference between a hypothesis and a theory. Just misses them.

It's really terrifying and makes me fear for Enlightenment.

Posted by: petrilli on November 22, 2004 3:57 PM | permalink

I think it's also worth noting that there is a logical trick involved, well-illustrated by this Dilbert(!) cartoon:

http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20041120.html

As she says in panel two, "I can't argue with his stupid misperception without proving it true."

That's why I think this textbook-sticker nonsense is dangerous and not silly.

Whether it's the "debate" on global warming or the "debate" on evolution, opponents of science don't have to refute facts to advance their agenda.

They can just say that it's not so clear, and well-intentioned people will give credence to both sides.

Posted by: Joe Grossberg on November 22, 2004 4:21 PM | permalink

It really makes my head hurt sometimes. Every good scientist will start questioning a theory if presented with contradicting facts. When it comes to religion, however, people start adapting their 'theory' (i.e., religion) in the weirdest ways, rather than questioning the base of their beliefs.

The best example is when the first smart person asked the question, if god is so infinitely good and merciful, how can he let something happen like say the Holocaust. And the answer is ... "the ways of the Lord are mysterious".

This already does away with any logical argument one might bring up against any aspect of biblical theory, and thus basically makes it exempt from scientific or logical scrutiny. (I remember my dad telling that at the catholic boarding school he attended, the students were told that merely asking oneself about the existence of God was already a sin.)

What's more, the story of the bible, as opposed to any scientific work, is not based on observation, built up and revised as more information became known. It started as a given set of 'facts'. (This aspect is much better explained by Daniel Harbour's book "An Intelligent Persons Guide to Atheism".)

I prefer to follow the principle of Occam's Razor: The simplest explanation is the one that should be considered first. So far, I have not found enough compelling arguments against my theory that there is no God. Sorry.

Posted by: mrdoc on November 22, 2004 4:44 PM | permalink

mrdoc:

The Holocaust issue has been addressed with "God didn't cause the Holocaust. Man did."

WHich, of course, leaves open the question as to the reasons behind suffering that is not man-made: natural disasters, terminally ill children, etc. And *then*, the "mysterious ways" bit kicks in.

Posted by: Joe Grossberg on November 22, 2004 4:49 PM | permalink

"The Holocaust issue has been addressed with "God didn't cause the Holocaust. Man did.""

But if God created man in his image, does that mean that God is a Nazi?

Posted by: O'dell on November 22, 2004 5:30 PM | permalink

What about the Crusades? Who caused that?

Posted by: ChuckJerry on November 22, 2004 5:58 PM | permalink

In all those cases where man did something, one should ask, why did God not protect the victims? He is almighty, after all.

Posted by: mrdoc on November 22, 2004 6:48 PM | permalink

"Free will" and all that.

I mean, I certainly can't believe in an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent God in this world, where so many innocent people suffer.

You'd have to ask a believer, how they can reconcile those two. I'd imagine you'd get an answer akin to "I don't understand it, but I have faith in God."

Posted by: Joe Grossberg on November 22, 2004 7:49 PM | permalink

Joe: Yes, that's what this Christian says. (Although I don't take the creation accounts literally)

I wrote a little more about this once at
http://www.roadtosurfdom.com/MOVABLETYPE/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=2879
The relevant words were:

"""
[Your question] assumes that God's actions should be explicable to man, but God is as far beyond us as you are beyond a two year old. When my son was two, I took him to the doctor for his shots. It hurt him, but I let the doctor do it anyway. My son didn't understand, and I couldn't explain it to him. All I could do was offer my comfort and ask for his trust.

In the same way that little Mitchell was afflicted with the needle, we are afflicted with evil. I don't know why God allows it, and I often despair. In the end, I trust that God is looking out for my best interests.

(I should also point out that this answer isn't something new to Christianity. There are many examples of this attitude through the Bible. Many of the psalms, parts of Ecclesiastes and the letters to churches suffering persecution.)
"""

Posted by: Alan Green on November 22, 2004 11:59 PM | permalink

"A third of Americans are biblical literalists who believe that the Bible is the actual word of God and is to be taken literally, word for word." - argh! I hate it when people talk about the Bible being taken "literally". Some parts are figurative, analogical, allegorical, or parable.

Posted by: Keith on November 23, 2004 3:13 AM | permalink

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